If someone cant just agree that that is what we do as we follow Jesus then they must be going their own way. chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. . Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. Jonathan Yet another person who watched the first 30 seconds of the video and ignored the rest. According to the doctrine of Pentecostalism, if you cant speak in tongues, then you are not saved. Trenton D. Adams said: Lets see a man with no leg, and see that grow out., A healing like that is documented to have taken place in the Azusa street revival in 1908, Excerpt taken from Azusa Street, They Told Me Their Stories It is actually part and parcel of the Hebrew Roots Movement as well, all bound together in a nice Roman Catholicpurple ribbon. And this sin of jealousy among other sins such as wanting the power to speak to God in an unknown language that makes the believer feel that because he/she can now speak in tongues they are on another spiritual level or more powerful than those who cant, and dont tell me you have never thought of this! I am fortunate to have a dedicated group of believers in my life wherein we hold each other accountable and encourage each other in a daily walk in the spirit. Likewise, the couple is the parent of their children in every way. And the time has come to start in that direction. Just as God turns unrepentant sinners over to their sins, He will send strong delusion to those who want to be deceived. Most interpret that to be saying that they will say that they themselves are Christ, but I do not believe that is what it is saying. The Lord will honor the heart that seeks Him and is humble before Him, even if there are areas of the persons life which are not in full obedience to Him. Pretty messybut pretty amazing that God loves people that much, There were plenty of historical (1700s and 1800s and early 1900s)revival preachers that wrote about being unprepared for what it looks like for a whole congregation to be deliveredit scared them, it made them doubt that it was of God because it was so bizarre. Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. 1,664 talking about this. a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences Sadly, it is no miracle. In his absorption, he had not observed that anything had taken place in me. Read this article: http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/activator.html. it deeply grieves me to see people getting so cynical that they The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? Perfect love casts out fear. He may think he is, but it may be otherwise. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. Wow Paul, how dare you suggest that water baptism is not a central part of the Gospel of God? (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. He has regard for all. Dont for one moment let the cynics and hopelessness-mongers drag you down. Jesus also gave the great commission, in Mat 28:18-20 saying All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Wow.Amen Marie! 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. It didnt work. 1) to put to flight by terrifying (to scare away) 4) I can do ALL things IN (while I am abiding in HIS Presence) Christ Jesus Actually it was the Pharisees that were always questioning Jesus trying to nitpick all the wrong things He was doing. However, this spirit must be the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13) and not another spirit. Torben dunks these people in trash cans how insulting!Those that defend this man, are his Cult Members and they have no problem threatening those that speak out against him. I`ve felt people try & do that to me. But, if they claim to be a Christians, and a leader, then people will follow them. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. So I hope we will pray for these brothers that they will be able to stand and remain in simplicity when the enemy comes, that the fear of the Lord would be the beginning of wisdom in every area and situation. As you said we are all parts of His Body & it is to Him we look & praise for what He is doing in us & in our brothers & sisters. I do not consider any of the miracles Jesus did in any way wierd. An ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his Visa. He told me that all discs were as good as new, with absolutely no sign of any damage. amount of `gobly gook.`. Does anyone know whats happened to Randall Lowrey? ha ha ha The old COIN TRICK! On the contrary, Im sure you hope and pray as I do that they will be aware of and resist the wiles of the adversary and remain in the humble simplicity of Christ, amen! I just watched the original video after reading and watching the second video. He arose, saying, Let us pray that the Lord will now heal you., As he did so, he took her by the hand. Amen. Weve seen enough of the problems. He fixed my brokenness. June 30th, 2022 by Crime Informer. Sectarians are those who would make fellowship with Christ their exclusive privilege. Just like the I remember an occasion at the Anglican Order of St. Luke in Christchurch when an unbelieving woman with a build up shoe (maybe 30cm or so) went forward for prayer and later limped back to her seat because the leg lengthened and the shoe was then too high for her to walk normally. post any of these things on my website without rafts of cynical Torben Sondergaard: Undercover journalists & money. Just because someone says Lord, Lord, does not mean he is a child of God. 0 20 20 comments Best Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. Sndergaard has created his own little belief system by taking a little from some different denomination,[16]for example, baptismal regeneration from the Catholics, speaking in tongues as the sign of baptism in the Holy Spirit from the Pentecostals, believers baptism as Baptists, and baptism to Jesus Christ not using the Trinitarian formula as Oneness Pentecostals. It is always interesting to me how the people who want to use the scriptures to support their OPINIONS, KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. He can also STOP anytime He wants to. forward into the True thing. We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. 2) to fear, be afraid of one Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. Seymour shook his head and responded, Thats not good. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? But it is patently obvious to me from listening to him preach and reading his statement of faith on his local congregations website that he does know and believe and love the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ he knows He is God and he knows He is Lord I am not saying that he is perfect, I am not saying that everything he does or endorses is right or perfect but if we see such a one who loves our Lord Jesus Christ endorsing or doing something which we dont believe to be right or true what is our response to be? of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. spread the word! hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm) The first video is very bad. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. What excited my heart was the fact that he is discipling & mentoring others as the Lord said. AUTHenticity= AUTHor, AUTHority It is all about Him and not of us at all. You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. But USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. `in His right hand He held 7 stars.`, This shows the executive activity of the enthroned Son of Man. The doctor in charge was an atheist and so outraged by it all that he destroyed the medical files and even the record of the man being admitted. In 2015, Torben Sndergaard quoted this as a prediction of Torben Sndergaards own work in Denmark: 10 years ago, a man came from the US to Denmark with a prophetic word to us our country. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) We find that the change from the book of Acts was imposed by the roman catholic system, The major issue is that we are dealing with the spirit realm and we can have confusion if we touch the unclean thing the unclean thing is an idol, In spiritual confusion demons operate as angels of light, and they will operate in the gifts of the spirit but the spirit is of the enemy. 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. I believe that our God is a might God who is 100% sovereign over everything, including life and death. So One one scripture the practice is built by many churches and the fact of doing something based one scripture is itself against the Word that requires 2 or 3 witnesses. are washed away in a few minutes. Thanks, Andrew keep posting the solutions. The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. I believe they would prefer to keep the status quo going, so that they do not feel compelled to go out in the highways and biways themselves. Or, perhaps do we read in the OT and NT that we ARE NOT to mimic the heathen, or their ways? I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. Jesus said, Let your light shine Its far more common then people realize. Jesus tempered the enthusiasm of the disciples by saying not to rejoice in the demons submitting to us but to only rejoice that our names be written in the Lambs book of life. This move of God will not be among a hyper spiritual exclusive fringe group of religiois zealots but will be among the grassroots culturally mainstream families among regular moms and dads, children, marketplace workers, friends and nieghbours . We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. He knows the grief of a wounded spirit. The government then investigated their family when they began homeschooling. uncanny implies disquieting strangeness or mysteriousness . When a man asked Kohn Wesley what his secret was he said to the man, I suggest that you let God light you on fire and people will come and watch you burn!, My email: hope this is safe- what the heck safe sucks! Jesus often did. If Bill truly is of God, he has a lot of very strange and new age things he is allowing to take place in his church. EVERYTHING IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS BASED ON FAITH/TRUST AND SURRENDER. Many of those he brought with him needed healing and left that evening fully restored as people in the crowd prayed and laid hands on each of them., This thought is not original with me. Pray for Torben Sondergaard, he has been put into prison for no reason other than being accused for smuggling weapons at Mexico. This means we ALREADY HAVE THIS REVIVAL LIGHT OF JESUS IN US SHINING! Wheres the beef in WIERDSVILLE ? Yesterday I posted some advice to these dear brothers to run away from the spotlight, from cameras, and from those who would try to make them kings, but it looks like I may have forgotten to hit the send buttonthat was the wisdom the Lord gave to me in a flash yesterday and sought to share it. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Sndergaard also read scripture as part of his defense to show how he was following Christ's commands, making the Bible part of the case record. So true about trying to put each other into boxes or us having to do such & such etc. Just think, the ark of the covenant was not permitted to be handled with hands of flesh, it had to be carried with poles, and not even just any poles, because it was HOLY. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.. So called religious devotion and zeal initiated by man IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE regardless out good intentions! People who claim to be believe in Jesus who dont even recognize Him when He is in one if His servants doing exactly what He always does- loving ordinary people, healing the sick, casting out demons and preaching good news??? I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. The lawsuit states the belief that Sndergaard's arrest by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement(ICE) officerwas based on "anonymous tips" that "originated from (the) Defendant's misinformation.". Well, after reading about their prophetic training ministry (which is almost identical to Rick Joyners) and reading the SOZO handbook (which is new age mixed with Christianity for Johnsons healing rooms) and many testimonies, I have more than enough to warn my friend. this man has understanding of what it is all about, going to the needy.Groups of youth go out in Redding, Ca to pray for people. Seymour spoke with a man who had lost his arm ten years earlier through a work-related accident. They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. This was not the example of the early church. This reminds me of something I heard a Man of God preach about. Initially, he was shocked. We are doing a better job than what you had done by allowing sinful men whose hands we do not know what they may have been doing to baptise us in lots and lots of water.. A friend of mine said that it is unimportant how we baptize our job is just to save sinners. Last point, going back to the Pharisees, it seems to me that Jesus said that sins against the Son of Man would be forgiven but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wouldnt be. But I guess thats what powerless religion us all about. If there is one charlatan, then they rebuke all who perform wonders and healings in the Name of Jesus. The GLORY is the TANGIBLE MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS NATURE. That HE speaks the truth in our hearts/spirit by the Spirit of truth? Charismatic Catholics pray over Pope Francis, they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. Only Joshua and Caleb and their wives and sons and daughters were ultimately allowed to enter the Promised Land. QUIT TRYING TO PUT HIM IN A BOX OF YOUR OWN MAKING. Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. I heard of a series of miraculous healings on someone involved in a bad car accident and God seemed to be one step ahead of the doctors. The roots of christianity are in roman catholicism and there are many man made doctrines that are christianity. Why shouldnt the Truth be out there as well? If it is truly the work of the Holy Spirit, then why wouldnt those healed recognize this and repent and declare Jesus as Lord? He has no need to imitate the world nor should we, because that would be having in mind the things of man, not the things of God. My answer is simple Jesus never copied ANYONE. 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